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>> why do i have to be so ashamed? i mean, why can't i just see the truth? i mean, be who i am, i'm 35-years-old. i'm so afraid to tell people. i mean, just susan. i'm gay 42 million people watched it in today. >> there's nothing like it, right? >> except maybe the super bowl you talking about straight writers writing a coming out at episode so like yesterday remember, it was like this is so cool. and yet this is going to kill this show. it's going to be over. yes. i thought this could be the end of our careers eleni caught her entire career at stake. >> she could have lost everything we do not want the gay and lesbian lifestyle paraded in the living rooms of americans homes. >> you would think gay people

did not exist. they very rarely showed up on tv. >> i remember as a young gay kid, being so hungry to see even negative portrayals because it meant that there were other people like us anal copulating, incurred the wrath of god. >> we weren't the most hated part of america. >> somebody die. >> he was owns coming out episodes suddenly says to the world, hey, it's okay to be gay you keyed up the explosion of characters that followed someone needed to just blow the whole thing open and she did television was king. we're going

>> i mean, you lived and died by the tv guide say it people head is must-watch tv shows and a lot of times they were sitcom there was a stand up to tv sitcom pipeline 15 years, i got three kids, so i breathe well in captivity and loved rosanne. >> are you ever sorry, we got married every second of my life are here discuss men stuck people like tim allen. the man's man, a guy with harry chez my folks moved to florida this past year that didn't really want to move to florida, but they are in their 60s and that's the law. there is of course, jerry seinfeld, if anything wrong with it no, no, of course not. >> people's personal sexual preferences or nobody and of course, elon did generous asked me well, you're funny, is it as a child and no, i was an accountant, but she was so clever and unique. >> he pretty much said, listen, yellen, how he sex was kind of like riding a bicycle, you know

what i mean? i know it's been awhile, but i don't ever remember peddling and she had a very specific cadence. have you had a massage? >> did they make you put the word premom had this very offbeat kind of humor mapi, seem like a great crowd. >> question. never know she was so delightful and so likable, so relatable. >> the girl next door she had a huge stand up fan base would you welcome ellen degeneracy, eleni when she appeared on johnny carson high god, the salen ellen. >> d. generous the generous what's so funny know i never thought that it does sound like that done turning point and elin's

career come with me. >> eleni generous behind the scenes on my new tv show, these friends of mine >> no idea yet another top name from stand-up comedy has been aboard a network sitcom vehicle the difference this time is the show is an out of the box grand slam hit what does that title mean? what is it about the show? >> bunch of friends hanging out their friends of mine yeah. listen, it's yellen what do you know? we just tried to point out the absurdity of normal everyday life. >> no not that out of it. who's smarter, beavis or butt-head which is what i did in my stand-up. just talk about everyday thing seinfeld mold. i'm sure it was pitch like seinfeld with a woman seinfeld with a woman. >> we were compared to seinfeld in the beginning when people are trying to hide their feelings your voice is go up

you get a haircut i get i really do then friends came along than we were compared to friends since we know what happened, we're gonna be conscious to avoid those questions and she won't be able to tell us any tire supportive friends dynamic has completely thrown out of whack it was always focused on my character, ellen morgan elon was clearly the center of the show elon we changed cast members and it was focusing more and more on me. it felt like we weren't even watching the character felt like we were watching ellen you were funny kid i was funny. >> i mean, i wasn't a class clown and most of the time they thought it was just weird. i never fit in because i was very dry and very subtle as a kid, i didn't do kid type stuff. >> do you have a lot of dates? >> yeah, i did. i had different boyfriends every week. i just i never i told my mother i didn't think i would ever find anybody that do eventually find

someone i'm single. like it that way. >> yeah. i'm happy. >> south royalty in vermont. hello hi, larry elon was out to her friends but the public didn't know there was just no coming out for someone who wanted to hit the big time. it was a different time. both on television and off television. >> so how goes the datsun gay yet there was no political correctness back in the 1990s in terms of the gay community did he at all he saw the i'm a big old died bumper sticker such abuse of everyday language. we just roll off of people's tongues because we made being gay a joke the same people that would put whole motion and military gay rights were not in their infancy. >> but we're still oh kind of under the radar. no federal law protects lesbian and gay people from discrimination.

>> you have to remember, you could still be fired just for being gay. >> the fact is that 33% of gays and lesbians have suffered discrimination on the job and you couldn't can't married the so-called defense of marriage act defines marriage as, you and in between one man and one woman and even president clinton favors, don't ask, don't tell was the law of the land use can serve in the military only if they keep their sexual orientation private, or they can prove they are celebrate. >> i think it's the jim crow laws of the 90s it institutionalizes prejudice in 1993, as president clinton was beginning his first term, i was the first openly gay white house staffer up until that point. >> i was always a little worried that my sexual orientation might prevent me from serving certainly at the highest levels in government, because in the professional context known was out from a very early age. you're conditioned by society

everything is a man and woman and you're always taught that that's what is normal, that could definitely come between me and my calvin's. >> you're taught to kind of hide who you are lma guy like is here ellen morgan can was essentially a straight character for years. i knew it was good in the third season, we were told no episodes about elon we don't want to say any guys, nothing as the show develops, we'll elon get a guy or any kind of love thing happened. i just i just don't think that that's the kind of show i want to do. so you know, it's tough whenever you have a show. i'm elon where the character's name is the name of the show other. why didn't you just view it as an actress and i'm funny and so i'll play a tetro sexual that fictional character

of elon morgan represents elinda generous i just i just didn't want to play that. i wanted to play what i did in my stand up for all those years is just somebody who could enjoy life and make fun of situations and not be so obsessed with finding the right guy and dating. it just wasn't me. that was really, really hard to write to. >> it was tedious to say the least. >> i mean, let's face it, how many edge she plots can you have around you know, a really cute woman running a bookstore. there's not a lot you can do with that. >> it grow stale very quickly. >> you couldn't build that audience with just that. this had been an ongoing issue on season four. >> boar's head of the studio, but the walt disney company would have been my job to approve anything that happened on my show creatively and financially. >> i think it's an apocryphal story. dean valentine, and number of executives are in michael eisenhower's office and he's saying, i love the yellen

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is a great wow, wow mark. will gray, i know i know what legs on me today picture of alex and that's a great picture of cigarettes look how young elon is. >> i know crazy boy, we had a time, didn't. >> but you got to give i mean, allen made this. nobody asked her to make it. she made it for amazing yeah to come out that shadow party her and an h remember, she invited the entire staff writer to her her house, which in itself was an event because she was very private. and i was with you? yes. because we were we were on the hotseat of like, what are we doing? >> what are we doing for this season? >> yeah. no dating. >> oh, hey guys, you know, i think she even clink the blast

or something because i need to make announcement. we all like gathered around and and she's i think this year and would become an out i want the character to come out on the show. i'll show life. >> and in life, right? >> well, we were out on the patio like, oh, it's really nice out here. it's too crowded in the house. or i was on tracy comes as, as elie just said, she's coming out and i missed that of america's sweetheart know, probably a great many people didn't know was gay, was going to come out yeah. >> and she was so excited i was in therapy a time to be 37-years-old and feeling this sense of shame and that nobody would like me if they found out that i was gay. i finally decided i would come out and it just made sense for the character to come out at the same time when we had to take that long walk through disney

to tell the studio there was like the baton death march because elon was just stoic? >> yes and more determined that she was committed and she just she went for it and i have to say dean valentine, he was great. he was rate i wasn't i didn't say yes in that meeting because this is a very careful about the image on a projected for the world and anything that's going to affect the company and its shareholders i mean, i was a little bit naive i think about where america was on its dialogue with homosexuality. but i just felt very, very confident that the company would be supportive and not the show needed how did, the executives react? >> disney, abc, they were all very supportive but this is the disney company. >> they had to have a reservation or two i think that they probably did. >> and i'm gonna business that, you know, i'm the commodity i'm the product and that's what i kept telling

disney and abc. maybe they'll boycott you for a week or whatever and maybe they'll, but you can go on and do another show. this is my life. i am taking the biggest risk here and i'm willing to take the risk because that's how much it means to make i remember walking back an lms, crying and she was so relieved, you know, was this your first exact producer job? >> oh, my god, yes. >> me too. so i felt that it's going to maybe ruin your career exactly. >> that. i'll never do this again we are on the same page my feeling was it was the place to be yeah. i was just excited by it because i thought like, oh man, there's stories to tell but we are so excited to have something that really like drawing board we marked the entire season leading up to the coming out of the south. who riding towards something, i feel pretty

she wanted everybody stories, anybody who was gay, and out took little bits and pieces. and we sort of mashed it, yellen. >> this could be you walking up to your new home i mean, we were really having some fun here. >> it's like a puppet show. your life is your husband coming home from work? oh, i think they focused in the wrong show we wanted the teases to make the audience look every week and wonder if we were going in the direction that it seemed we were going. i was in the closet i think with every one those little teases, it became a little less frightening i'd like to talk to you about the role of men in your life. yes, it's funny and it's cute. but it was all so frustrating because we were waiting. i mean, we wanted this to happen it was built up your

ties, you how you seem to be having a lot of fun with it at what was the point where the teasing was not supposed to go on that long shooter you're gay elon it was a disney stockholders meeting going on. >> and they wanted to make sure the stock didn't go down. so we had to wait. nobody will say that, but i know that that's what the case was. >> robert iger presence. >> we never got the okay. it just kept getting pushed back and pushed back and pushed back. and the story leaked out way in advance the ellen morgan character on the sitcom, ellen may reveal herself to be a lesbian later this season, as we know it there were just a rumors that elon might come out and suddenly everywhere you looked, there was elon news, lots of rumors in the press and what's going to happen this season. we do find out the character is lebanese media firestorm that just blew up and we were talking about adding a character to the show and his name was going to be less bn.

>> i mean, elon was just having a blast earth. >> there's a rumor going around when the speculation about elon morgan sexuality leaked out, the public did not know that ellen degeneres was gay. >> and while she didn't actually say she was coming out herself, are you sick of me? >> i'm sick of me. >> all of it pointed in that direction we're going to shift gears in a major way and talk about this elon did generous not only is her character coming out so is the real person on the cover of time magazine. >> gosh, that was huge. everyone was talking about it. the white house staff was talking about it. it was it was a national event it was definitely a risk because there wasn't a blueprint for how to behave in hollywood once you did come out, when you glad she finally did come out of the closet well, as it turned out, it was a good move. i just worried i worried for her safety

>> emma might it happened outside a lesbian club called the other side? >> it's like this are tremendous fame. it sounds like canada something in a surface hate clearly is a possible motive in these crimes and must be investigated it it as such elon had a fear that somebody might come after there was a bomb threat when we were filming the show do you remember the entire audience being pulled out? >> yes. yeah. and they had to sweep it with dogs and whatever you had people calling you up and threatening. >> and also she had a stalker. i must short with blonde hair also, so i had the same stock. are well, people didn't understand and when people don't understand, they get scared. and when they get scared, they get angry and that's what we were getting a lot of this unfocused anger

because i feel like right now we've got the lesbian weddings on friends. there as lesbian relationship on relativity, i did want to the interview you with oprah of his woman was just frothing of a mouth. >> i did feel like we're being with this right now down our throat is why why? because because you don't have to fight for anyone to embrace you and say how wonderful you have a family and children. and do you want to know i'm great. i'm not out on the conversation yet. i'm straight now. nobody cares. the that i'm has been asking how to get in touch with you character is finally coming out of the closet on prime-time, millions of viewers are expected to watch that's the much hyped episode. >> but some regular advertisers have pulled their commercials. >> i think this has been probably the most hyped up

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basic story of the coming out episode was oh wow, elon finally found the guy. this is the lover role life kind of thing we look right. are you kidding? >> were adorable and along comes from somebody to doors right now, laura dern sorry. >> laura dern was a huge start she had already become super famous a laura dern for a small screen appearance was a huge deal. >> i don't date men oh, casting for the role was a challenge. >> why necessarily want to play a lesbian that's not of course, why would you begin who's come lately comfortable for sexuality. she has no problem telling ellen, you know

what elon i thought you were getting know i think i think what you're sensing is a very, very strong, i like men byd and it's felon yes. >> i like is heterosexuals like ice it is consistently laugh out loud, funny, but it's not enough for you to be gay. >> you've got to recruit others it's not dark and brooding and sanctimonious. >> just one more, i would've gotten that toaster oven and that's of course, and, you get oprah winfrey so elon, do you want to tell me what really happened between you and richard klass? one elon said to me, you know, who would be really amazing as the therapist oprah, i kind of laughed and i said, yeah, sure has there ever been any one you fell to click with? and what was his name susan

oprah says it's okay to be gay, then it's okay to be gay. >> hi. >> kim, can i talk to you just quickly before you leave? >> yeah. >> he's in that moment at the airport if there was electricity in the room i guess what i'm trying to say is i did get the joke about the toaster oven it was like you put the script down, go girl go to town. we're watching you this is this is this is so hard, but i i think i've realized that i am i can't even say the word what can i say the word? >> i mean, why can't i just say what is wrong? that why it why do i have to be so ashamed? i mean, why can't i see the truth, be who i am. i'm 35-years-old, was so afraid to tell people. i mean, i just susan i'm gay

literally, i stood up, i sat down again, i stood up. i sat down i didn't know what to do with myself the audience and got to its feet. we had to stop tape because the audience was sobbing sobbing, and everybody was correct. >> remember, we had her mom yeah, it's not a betty like i dot as gay you and watching you have this catharsis, a sort of holding, literally holding each other and it was so profound and i feel so blessed that i got to be there and witness that they billed great that felt so great. >> and it felt by myself after the show all the lights go down and looking

around at the stage and honestly thinking of myself what the hell just happened. yeah. yeah. you know what the hell just happened all over the country, people is spilling out into the streets at gay bars to watch this episode, i don't think i realized how much it meant to the community until i saw the reactions of people watching the episode mean this is a dream come true. >> this is you know, one of the most positive that thinks it's probably happen for the gay and lesbian community. >> very since it up and something that i could actually talk to my mom and dad about because they watched it too. >> i was only a teenager and i thought i would never see this in my life. >> you did a great job. now and i feel really good about i'm sorry that people had to wait so long over 2000 people attended a party in birmingham, alabama, planned after the local a, b, c affiliate refuse to air the episode we were just doing our job.

>> we did a great episode, great ratings. and then the hits, the fan, let's people are outraged that hollywood is so disdainful of middle america that there openly promoting homosexuality. were just totally ignoring the rights of families who believe that in the public airwaves, this kind of obnoxious and objectionable tyranny is not dumped into our living rooms. elon became kind of a proxy between these two very different sides struggling for control, not just a television, but for control of culture. >> you can't stand up there on that show. and in front of this whole american society and say that you, that you support that. i mean, i support her right to be who she thinks she is. >> you don't want to put an a child's mind this gay affirming role model. and that's what elon did tonight. >> it gay or frowned. >> i got an early one day you know, up voicemail and and it was some guy, a jew boys, what

do you do and put all these facts on television is painful too? to recall it but it's nothing compared to what people who are gay or trans confront on an ongoing basis. times more likely to be attacked than their heterosexual counterparts are gay and lesbian americans singled out for savage and brutal hate crimes yes there's this constant calculus that a queer person has to do if you told the wrong person, just one wrong person, it could literally mean the end of your life matthew shepard, 21-year-old matthew shepard died monday five days after being pistol whip and left for dead in near freezing temperature beaten so badly, those who found him thought he was a scare crow.

hates facts, right any gay activists came from texas and kansas, to protest outside the funeral service somebody died. he was >> i am so devastated by it. it's because this is what i was trying to stop. this is exactly why i did what i did look at the news of the week and ask questions like, what does the comedy show doing on cnn people have spoken

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discovered that americans consider homosexuality more harmful to society than adultery abortion, or prostitution in 1967, cbs aired a documentary about homosexuals homosexuals. and it truly gave the most disparaging negative picture. >> the average homosexual if there be such his promiscuous, he is not interested in n14 capable of lasting relationship like that of a heterosexual marriage. to pick up the one night stand, these are characteristic of the homosexual relationship it gave life to all of the horrendous stereotypes and biases from the 19 1950s and well into the 60s that gay people were going to do in the country, that children were at risk? what jimmy didn't know was that ralph was sic the sickness that was not visible like smallpox,

but no less dangerous and contagious. >> you see, ralph was a homosexual. i remember growing up and not seeing any gay people on tv. >> i'm the only one who ever made peter pan fly without showing any the interim undergarments, shows weren't allowed to have an openly queer character. >> sorry, i flared so they had to be coded seems almost like batman and robin on vacation. there was a lot of mass and puts it in the trash but you can say, now they're not gay that don't be ridiculous. >> they're just sensitive the way glenn miller something amazing happens in the 1970s. >> tv shows completely changed representation the 70s in many ways, we're the counterculture of the 60s going mainstream we were allowed to see gay people as just normal people not deviant, but might be your

friends, might be your neighbors. or you must noted this kid is kind of a lady, right? >> the first show that ever did that it was all my family and put them blasts over. i want to go with you once more. that episode had archie bunker, not the most modern dude in the world, but he thinks a urinal finding out that his good friend steve steve actually was gay he's right arch episode right and he's furious that they're showing homosexuality on television in prime time. >> he says we all know that by reciting what are you anyway, adopter, a lesbian, an actress first time i saw this beautiful lesbian who said,

i'm a person i'm a woman i'm a psychiatrist and i am a homosexual. >> i remember going you understand expression mad at the man very well eventually, you start to see recurring gay characters. dara was arrested the other day by detective from this precinct. >> what charge being unique can come back and episode after episode, who spent time with the main characters. your home mao and they're super, super funny. >> what do you people during i mean, new yorkers, we dreamed mouse we drink, do basic heterosexual drinks a mystery disease known as the gay plague is become an epidemic unprecedented in the history of american medicine in the 80s, aides really pushed gay people back into the category of an other immune systems out of kilter in some way because he gave there's a time in the 1980s when any depiction of

homosexuality meant, oh, that equals aides. >> it's far as i'm concerned, this disease has one thing going for it is killing all the right people but in the 1990s homosexuality didn't automatically mean hiv complex queer lives being presented on screen that wasn't limited to the academic who gathered here today to join carroll and susan in holy matrimony and you do start seeing gay kisses grabbing moment, we could all just laugh because it's so funny and crazy and next episode, it'll reset and everything will go back to normal. no more lesbian kisses. ours was different are you coming out or not? it was about a moment in a person's life

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tracy newman, john stark so it was a little weird that elon wanted to clean house. >> well we didn't return. i think we were fired. yeah. i mean, i thought i was fired and then diza were on fire or let go everybody was let go. >> everybody because like i don't know about, you know, i find the story. i have always told and believed is it everybody, everybody bail, everybody bail. >> it is pretty crazy because when you think about it, we have this massive coming out episode and then we come back for season five. and none of the rioters return where they fired. did they choose to lead to this day we're not clear about what happened it's amazing elon, you haven't changed, you are exactly the same well, will not not exactly. the show comes back for season five. it's a very different show every episode is like a little mini gay film festival being broadcast into people's homes. elon goes on her first it's date. >> i have a date on hires and

gay plumber all done. >> now broken now, had quit elon gets a girlfriend i started going through a transformation, realizing what's wrong if the show is focused on being gay. >> there was some backlash about it being too gay. >> shows two gay gay was the show how gay was the show? >> yeah people thought okay, a little bit of this is enough. >> let's get back to regular programming now, the subjects that we dealt with were the such extent any other show on television deals with, i think television been two straight for almost a century now. so maybe a couple of lesbians here and there is a good thing this program contains adult content, parental discretion is advised, true? you got ticked over the parental advisory on the screen? >> yes, i did. >> i found it to be ridiculous and offensive. >> what do they say to you when you're question, i explained to them what a double-standard

was when i pointed out the same kisses that happened on spin city. they didn't get an advisory because they're both straight actors. playing a gay character. but because i am gay, i got an advisory. i felt like it was saying we're warning you there's still something wrong with it, and that's what i'm trying to get to go away as there's nothing wrong with who i am obviously, bob iger thought it was too gay. >> how is that more adult content then heterosexual? couple of rolling around in bid, which they do. >> again, we're making a judgment about what our society is comfortable with and what they might have been comfortable with. >> i can understand why someone looks at that is a little uncomfortable because they're not used to seeing it. it must have been uncomfortable for some white people to see some black people walk into a restaurant that they weren't supposed to be in its conditioning you see, i'll take one marker there was a season missing bits queen season.

>> he did and the season a good way to put that i wanted to see her bumbling her way into the real world where everybody was just so cool there the it was asking a lot of the audience work so hard to bring in and accept her that they were just asked to move a little too quickly. >> i think so. ten is a great point the ellen show, it will not be back on abc next week. the network is not saying why in sitcoms ratings have been described as disappointing that she torpedo her own show by pushing a gay agenda, or did this network pretty much abandoned her? her sitcom, ellen will have its final episode air tomorrow night. may 13 supported me through all of this means a whole lot to me

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you are not gay? >> yes, i am. >> changed the momentum of gay characters made a different one for you. then the floodgates started to open it's happening to depict multidimensional and lesbian characters. and now it seems like every show has to have a queer character which is great. and i think that's good. but again, it tracks back to allen

and i thought, how can i live this dual life? >> so i wrote a letter to my dad and i explained that i was really proud to be working on this episode and that thought it was important that he know that i am gay aired, i had 50 messages or something from strangers dei came out to my father and my father came out to me or think it started to impact me most when i started to see that letters was terrified of people finding out every time i watched the coming out episode, i would cry my eyes out. >> it was if i could she finally said, i'm gay i cried because i wondered if i would ever be able to accept myself and be brave enough to tell anyone who i really am, like elon the more i watched that episode, the more it

inspired me to be true to myself and be honest with everyone around me to count so thank you so very much for creating something so beautiful. >> and meaningful to me wow somewhere in this country that one life has been saved. if, if i've done that's the best thing i've i've done. yeah, the best thing i've ever done ms morgan, i have just one question for you. are you gay >> yes, i am susan